Monday, August 18, 2014

Swarming Bees Making Hive In Roosevelt Island FDNY Call Box At Octagon Bus Stop Reports RI 311 See Click Fix

Roosevelt Island See Click Fix 311 reports on August 17:

Beehive in fire call box

Image From Roosevelt Island See Click Fix 311

There are bees swarming and making a hive in the FDNY call box in the island out front of the Octagon bus stop. Dangerous!!
Do you have a Roosevelt Island issue or problem that can be fixed by the Roosevelt Island Operating Corp (RIOC)? If you see a problem or an issue on Roosevelt Island that needs to be brought to the attention of RIOC and fixed, click on RI 311 See Click Fix,


report the issue and then monitor RIOC's response to the problem.

42 comments :

MY SON! said...

RUSH MOB, REALLY YOUR FAKE NAME SAYS IT ALL! THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT YET..IF YOU THINK I CARE ABOUT A APARTMENT OVER MY SON'S LIFE. YOU HAVE TO BE THE MOST IGNORANT/ EVAL PERSON UP HERE. I WONT FEED INTO THE MADNESS, BUT I WILL SAY THIS TO YOU. WHEN YOU MENTION MY SON YOU CAN ADD THIS TO. HE'S AN H.S. GRADUATE AT THE AGE OF 17, HE WAS ACCEPTED INTO A 4 YEAR COLLEGE. WHEN YOU MENTION MY SON SAY HOW HE HELP AFTER SCHOOL CHILDREN WITH THEIR HOMEWORK.WHEN YOU MENTION MY SON MAKE SURE YOU SAY HE'S A GREAT SON,GRANDSON,BROTHER,UNCLE AND FRIEND. MENTION HOW FUNNY HE IS AND ARTISTIC. MENTION HOW SMART AND ATHLETIC HE IS. MENTION HOW HANDSOME AND TALL HE IS. MENTION HOW HE WAS NEVER CONVICTED OR DID ANY TIME IN PRISON . BUT YOU WON'T. BECAUSE YOU ARE A HATER! THE MAN FROM S.I. WAS A BIG GUY AND DIED FROM A CHOKE HOLD. WHERE WERE YOU?WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THIS HAPPEN TO MY SON? SO BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENT LOOK INTO YOUR OWN BACK YARD .. TATTOOS DOESN'T MAKE A PERSON EITHER. THUG LIFE ISN'T ON HIS CHEST...I SHOULD KNOW THATS "MY SON"

Anthony jones said...

Theres so many stories I can tell to discredit the credibility you're trying to acquire from this comment. I admit the PCS is a joke but you and the public safety department are a joke too. You guys ARE rejects trying to become cops or just getting a check. You guys follow the agenda to get rid of us. You guys harass us, Lie on us and lie to us. I mean "us" as in the minority or rebellion. Tell the people about the old lady psd refers to as the "racist lady" that lives on top of the deli that calls you guys all the time about noise outside. Not at her door, but outside! Even when she doesn't call, psd makes up complaints just to get us off the street. In which we caught a psd lying about a complaint the other day. How many complaints are lied about? just to wild us up to arrest us? Majority of accusations are false about psd? Majority of arrest are provoked and charges are trumped. So let's just say you owed us one.

Anthony jones said...

@marsattacks Theres so many stories I can tell to discredit the credibility you're trying to acquire from this comment. I admit the PCS is a joke but you and the public safety department are a joke too. You guys ARE rejects trying to become cops or just getting a check. You guys follow the agenda to get rid of us. You guys harass us, Lie on us and lie to us. I mean "us" as in the minority or rebellion. Tell the people about the old lady psd refers to as the "racist lady" that lives on top of the deli that calls you guys all the time about noise outside. Not at her door, but outside! Even when she doesn't call, psd makes up complaints just to get us off the street; In which we caught a psd lying about a complaint the other day. How many complaints are lied about? just to wild us up to arrest us? Majority of accusations about psd are false? The majority of psd arrest are provoked by psd in which charges are exaggerated. Let's just say psd owed "us" one.

Anthony jones said...

@marsattacks Theres so many stories I can tell to discredit the credibility you're trying to acquire from this comment. I admit the PCS is a joke but you and the public safety department are a joke too. You guys ARE rejects trying to become cops or just getting a check. You guys follow the agenda to get rid of us. You guys harass us, Lie on us and lie to us. I mean "us" as in the minority or rebellion. Tell the people about the old lady psd refers to as the "racist lady" that lives on top of the deli that calls you guys all the time about noise outside. Not at her door, but outside! Even when she doesn't call, psd makes up complaints just to get us off the street; In which we caught a psd lying about a complaint the other day. How many complaints are lied about? just to wild us up to arrest us? Majority of accusations about psd are false? The majority of psd arrest are provoked by psd in which charges are exaggerated. So

OldRossie said...

"ameriKKKa"... You are your mother's son. (applicable to spelling and your focus on race)

MY SON! said...

Your comment doesn't mean anything to me. You lied and told me my son was sick. While he was bleeding from his lung you sat in the same hospital room mocking him while he was in pain suffering.. You abused your power of authority.
You tried to cover it up but it didn't work. You didn't care about my family but expect me to have sympathy for you and your family.
Your own PS officers came forward for my son'

CheshireKitty said...

Rossie: That's a long-time, well-known, and ironic commentary on the US, since time immemorial. Do we really have to spell it out for you?


And there is no particular emphasis on race with regard the 5 years of Guerra's PSD over-enforcement. Using fear/intimidation/brutality to "control" - those tactics fell heavily on people of all races, all ages. We will not be divided by race. That is exactly what the powers-that-be want, but it won't happen here.

MY SON! said...

Who cares about applicable spelling...and race did play a part..

NotMyKid said...

You say race was part of it, yet... Two Hispanic officers and a black officer was present at your arrest and you were processed by a white officer? Right. Race was 10000% factor! Gotcha!

Sorry guy, take the race card back and fold it up and gently out it back in your pocket.

Goodluck to you in your adult endeavors. Avoid police contact and be safe.

NotMyKid said...

Because obtaining votes during election time is not a priority. Gotcha.

Kallos was a contender and wanted to get votes. Serrano is a clueless lib who want to keep his votes.

CheshireKitty said...

Oh, I guess that explains why Cuomo kicked Guerra out, too: Cuomo wanted to "keep his votes."


In other words, your take is that none of these politicians really felt there was anything wrong with the way Jones, and all the other victims, were treated by the police - Kallos, Serrano, and Cuomo just "hopped on the bandwagon" of curbing police brutality because it was the "popular" thing to do.


Well, at least you've put your cards on the table - and now we know you condone unjust acts like the Jones beating, the Garner killing, and the execution of Michael Brown.

CheshireKitty said...

You don't think race is part of it - on RI and nationally? Ever hear of profiling, and mass-basis stop 'n' frisk? You don't think cops of color go right ahead and profile and so forth? The policies are racist and cops of any ethnicity carry them out.

YetAnotherRIer said...

Ameruca, where money is everything and everything is about money. Even justice.

NotMyKid said...

What PROOF do you have that Cuomo "kicked" guerra out?

You have none.

Come back when you have proof.

NotMyKid said...

15% of the population commits 90% of the crime. Especially in minority neighborhoods. Of course the proportions are going to be high. Don't you think?

Not many people to stop and question in Malba. Whitestone or Kew Gardens. Crime is low and people don't fight and kill each other in certain neighborhoods.

Open your liberal eyes. You don't live in a bubble. It's nyc. I dare you to walk alone in East NY with flashy stuff.

You wouldn't last 10minutes.

Let's go for a ride to the Pink Houses(nycha housing) and let's take a walk through piss filled staircases with not only pee but fecal matter and condoms.

You don't read this in the NY TIMES, or any other local news rag. Shocking isn't it?

The proportions correlate the crime.

Now let's take a step back and see that the less stop question and POSSIBLE frisk that is happening... The more crime is going up, especially homicides in the minority neighborhoods.

Until you smell the truth, your eyes will be kept shut.

CheshireKitty said...

Torres left under a cloud in 2012. In January 2013, Jones was beaten to within an inch of his life. There was no RIOC President at the time, only an Acting President. In May 2013 Cuomo appointed Indelicato RIOC President. No doubt the first thing Indelicto did was call Guerra in to inform him he had 30 days to resign. June 14th: Guerra resigned. I would say that Cuomo's instructions to Indelicato were to ask Guerra to resign. The Jones story, and the stories of the other victims, were picked up by the press, including TV news, and for Cuomo there was always the possibility that one day, an opponent could point to the mess on RI as an example of Cuomo's mismanagement, since he appoints the President & Board. Replacing Guerra = damage control. RIOC was extremely lucky to have found McManus, who turned out to be a decent and fair PSD Director.

NotMyKid said...

Speculation. No proof.

CheshireKitty said...

Under Bloomberg millions of dollars of repairs to NYCHA housing were deferred. Under de Blasio the money has been turned on full blast and NYCHA is just barely able to keep up with the repairs it NOW HAS THE FUNDING TO CARRY OUT. This would make a difference in improving the safety and general living conditions for the about 1 million New Yorkers who reside in NYCHA housing.


If repairs are not going to be carried out, which they deliberately were not under Bloomberg, the response may be lashing out, vandalizing, and so forth. I'm not condoning it - but it's possible some residents lose patience with bad landlord Bloomberg. We now have the good landlord de Blasio - so things should improve.


As far as the crime rate, other than shootings going up in specific areas, the crime rate itself continues to decline since mass-basis stop 'n' frisk was discontinued by Bratton and de Blasio approximately 7 months ago. In response to the epidemic of shootings, about 10 projects were recently targeted by de Blasio for enhanced lighting, cameras, security measures, increased social services - on an emergency basis. Cost: $210 million dollars.


The difference between de Blasio and Bloomberg is like day and night. Bloomberg was starving the projects of repairs, and adding insult to injury, was going to allow the infill projects. Bloomberg's "solution" to crime? Mass-basis stop 'n' frisk - an unconstitutional practice that is based on profiling. Stop 'n' frisk is still used to question suspects - but no longer used on a mass/random basis. The crime rate did not rise once mass-basis stop 'n' frisk was discontinued. Gang-bangers or various criminal types started shooting it out on the streets probably in variations of turf wars, to retain territory etc. Tragically, many innocent bystanders were victims, some killed. The areas where the shootings occurred - many times within pjs - are now saturated with enhanced lighting, cameras, NYPD lookouts etc. These areas are no longer areas given over to gunmen/criminals - the idea is the areas are denied to them as venues for shootouts. de Blasio also instituted massive resources to address the social problems in the same areas blanketed with security.


I'm not going to go into why joblessness/poverty may lead on occasion to crime. We all know why - the reasons are myriad. Yet, not all poor people are criminals, far from it: Most are not.


Again, I'm not going to go into why economic dislocation, structural unemployment, institutional racism and so forth, feed into the evils of crime. Suffice it to say that the crime rate, despite the above factors, has drastically declined nationally, and continues to decline in NYC - even without mass-basis stop 'n' frisk.

CheshireKitty said...

LOL. Well, the events described in my comment certainly seem to follow a pattern: Guerra screws up big time with the Jones beating, the story just about goes viral, Guerra's boss asks Guerra to leave because Guerra is making the State of NY look bad. I doubt if Cuomo directed Indelicato to ask Guerra to resign in an email or letter - he or Larry Schwartz probably conveyed the wish that Guerra leave to her in a meeting. Thus if you are looking for written "proof" there never will be any. The lack of a memo or written directive doesn't make the sequence of events any less compelling.

MY SON! said...

The majority of all the minority kids were abused and arrested. NYPD said most of the cases were nonsense. A summons or just a verbal warning would have been sufficient. Some of your own PSD officers said you guys were doing things improperly.
We had over 300 hundred signatures from all nationalities with complaints. Stop acting like we live in a high crime rate community...

Don't worry about my son's endeavors. You should be worried about your own endeavors.
My son NEVER been convicted for anything NEVER spent a night in jail...But I bet you have. So you be safe..

MY SON! said...

Its the principle..... had my son would have died all the money in the world wouldn't have brought him back.
We need the legislation to be reinstate and an oversight.
The RIOC board should be rotated with new people ever term.

MY SON! said...

He was giving a nice position by Roosevelt Landing management uptown on the west side..

OldRossie said...

So what you're saying is PSD is abusive and this is the perspective of people of a variety of races on the island. What he's saying is that the arresting officers were a varying bunch. This all reads like a dysfunctional and abusive PSD, but still, NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.
Ma'am, with all due respect (though it may be a little late..), I can't say any of these people are NOT racist, but I am absolutely certain, without a shadow of a doubt, that you are a racist. That's fine, but sadly, you may be raising you're "AameriKKKa" son the same way...

OldRossie said...

Regardless of any other parts of this discussion, I agree with your points here.

MY SON! said...

I'm not your ma' am and trust me Im far from a rasict...you don't know my back ground.. my family comes in all colors. I love everyone white, black, yellow, green, blue...that's what I teach my kids...He said AameriKKKa because of whats going on in the news..the situation with Michael Brown and all the other young men that died.

OldRossie said...

Ma'am is a problem now? the formal reference to a woman I do not know (also the short hand reference to the queen of England)? Fine. What's the opposite - the informal reference to a girl I do know... in today's RI acceptable culture... starts with a b...

Rush mob said...

The elected officials stood with you village idiots because they wanted your votes. The PSD wasn't running wild. There were a few isolated incidents which garnered attention on Roosevelt island because you have this blog and the WIRE that want to make headline news out of nonsense. Everyone knows Neil is a hothead, and he caused a commotion over his daughter getting a measly traffic ticket. Adib wouldn't clear the field after being told several times to do so. Instead he jumped into PSD officers' faces to photograph them. Would he have done that to NYPD officers? No. What did he get, a Disorderly Conduct summons...oooohhh. You blame Guerra for 5 years of over enforcement, but what you forget is that he followed what his RIOC bosses wanted. James Frye did the same thing. He followed what his bosses wanted too. Only he went around cursing people out. He didn't care about the community. He just did what his bosses wanted - which at that time was NOTHING. Now we have a new Director, who is doing the same thing - following what his RIOC bosses want. The only drastic change at PSD is that we have more assaults, robberies, burglaries and drug sales on the island. Kitty, you don't write about that stuff because it doesn't support your obvious distaste for 1 guy who led a department at the behest of his superiors.

Rush mob said...

The "Thug Life" tattoo is on his arm, not his chest. But as you said, you should know.

MY SON! said...

Doesn't have it anywhere..!!!
Why are you worring about my son??? I'm pretty sure you have your own problems to deal with.

MY SON! said...

You need to take a good look at your self in the mirror.
I really feel sorry for you. You have no life and want to be relevant in someone else's life.

RooseveltIslander said...

Do you have any evidence that there are more assaults, robberies etc on Roosevelt Island now than in the past?

Could it be that the current RIOC President and Director Of Public Safety are more open and transparent in reporting these incidents to the community? The residents now know what is happening when there is a crime rather than in the past when such information was very difficult to obtain.

One way to compare then and now is on the RIOC Calls For Services/Response Stat page. Unfortunately, RIOC has not updated those statistics since April 2014.

RooseveltIslander said...

I think the overwhelming majority of Roosevelt Islanders find that reference unacceptable. Please, let's try to be as civil to others as we would like others to be to us.

CheshireKitty said...

Same here.

CheshireKitty said...

Rossie: How disrespectful.


Plus - and most importantly - pointing out evidence of racism in US society does not make one a racist!


Racism has been a problem in the US since day 1. It continues to be a problem that we struggle with as a society.


The tendency to make snap decisions/profile youth of color by the police is just one of the most glaring modern-day iterations of an ongoing problem, a problem that refuses to go away.


I would hope we are now in a post-racial world, but incidents ranging from the Eric Garner and Michael Brown killings, to the years of mass-basis stop 'n' frisk in NY, to RI's very own sorry record of over-enforcement under Guerra culminating in the Jones beating, say otherwise.

Frank Farance said...

Rick, you're wrong. Ma'am is perfectly acceptable, just as "Madam" is. By your reasoning Sir is just as offensive: Yes Ma'am, Yes Sir. Here is the definition from Merriam Webster: "ma'am: a term of respectful or polite address used for a woman who you do not know". So when you say "the overwhelming majority of Roosevelt Islanders find that reference unacceptable", I don't think you'd find that so in my building or other people who have traveled: "ma,am" is perfectly nice, just as "madam" is (Madam President, Madam Mayor, etc.).

And to take to a meta level: the problem is that you have a person who (on face) is being polite (OldRossie), and for whatever reason "MY SON" is reading it wrong. One should not indulge such poor readings because then EVERYTHING that is said (including Hello) can be taken as offensive ... there are no boundaries on misinterpreting what someone says. We have a dictionary for that reason: societal agreement on the meanings of words so when someone says "Ma,am" then via normal terminological substitution (replacing a word with its definition) then the statement should be understood as "a term of respectful or polite address used for a woman who you do not know".

Frank Farance said...

OldRossie: A non-white officer can have bias against his own race/ethnicity. The problems with stop-n-frisk are the bias against "people of color", according to the NYCLU "The NYPD’s stop-and-frisk practices raise serious concerns over racial
profiling, illegal stops and privacy rights. The Department’s own
reports on its stop-and-frisk activity confirm what many people in
communities of color across the city have long known: The police are
stopping hundreds of thousands of law abiding New Yorkers every year,
and the vast majority are black and Latino." (see "http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices").

Now if the report said "white cops are biased against people of color, but black/latino cops are not biased", well that would be a very different story, but the stats don't show that. Thus, the race/ethnic bias is broad, which means: a black officer stopping a black person does not imply it is void of racial bias within the (black) officer against blacks.

Thus, "MY SON"s point about a racial bias should not be dismissed because the officers were of same/similar race/ethnicity.

RooseveltIslander said...

Frank, Ma'am is not the objectionable word I was referring to.

Read the last line... "starts with a b"

OldRossie said...

Now I'm intrigued. You're suggesting that black and latino officers may have a racial bias against blacks and latinos. That is, a black officer may believe it more likely that a black person be committing a crime than anyone else. Why would that be?

CheshireKitty said...

The key concept is that we leave people alone - most of us are law-abiding people minding their own business - and we do not stop them on a "random" basis - mostly picking on youth of color *because of their ethnicity.* This is definitely un-Constitutional.


Also - as long as we're not doing anything wrong, we should have the expectation that we will be left alone. Law enforcement is supposed to enforce the law including arresting perps once the *law has been broken* not *in anticipation* that *the likelihood is* a given individual is a criminal because of the color of his skin or his youth. That is just plain wrong. That is not law enforcement - that is picking on a certain segment of the population to harass *because of their ethnicity*.


The overwhelming majority of those stopped under stop 'n' frisk were found to have been *absolutely law-abiding and innocent* - of course! The overwhelming majority of New Yorkers of any ethnicity agreed with BdB that the policy was *wrong* and unfair; thus the #1 issue was stop 'n' frisk & de Blasio & Bratton promptly dismantled mass-basis stop 'n' frisk once he was sworn in as Mayor. And - the crime rate did not go up since Jan. 2014! Because mass-basis stop 'n' frisk did *nothing* - other than alienate vast segments of the populace - the crime rate was going down whether or not it was in effect.


There is still a mountain of social ills to overcome which will lead to the end of the "allure" of crime/gangs as an unfortunate "option." Doesn't mass culture glorify macho/violence/shoot 'em ups and so forth? Hasn't it been this way for a long time? Do you see scientists turned into mass culture heroes? Or literary figures? So you may want to emulate someone - you may figure the cool person to emulate is the macho one, the violent one, instead of the "plodding" biologist or geologist. You may want easy money - after all the pursuit of money is one of the cornerstones of our society. So you turn to crime, and then it's too late by the time you realize crime doesn't pay, you're already in jail.. This is how these things play out many times. These kids that may end up in jail, they are only giving back to "society" what "society" has given to them.

CheshireKitty said...

To me, it's unbelievable that on an island the size of RI, with only 1 street, and only 1 deli, PSD screwed up to the extent that it did, for the five years Guerra led it.

The Mansour incident wasn't just about a disorderly summons - Mansour was direly mistreated at the station house.

And Neil? He really deserved to be mistreated, over what - a ticket? I don't think so.

PSD under Guerra used any excuse to over-enforce. The ethos under Guerra was zero tolerance. Guerra had a macho ethic when it came to law enforcement which is really not what the community wants. Probably the PSD's bosses weren't responsive to what the community wanted because they don't have to be responsive to the community - because the governance structure splits "responsibility" or accountability 3 ways and thus leaves convenient outs for all 3 parties that are supposed to be responsible (RIOC Board, RIOC President, PSD Director) which is why nobody is ever going to accept accountability, or the "blame" for what happened. Anybody that can possibly be held accountable such as Shane/Torres/Guerra - are all gone.

There's no ongoing system of feedback to RIOC, other than people getting up and complaining at Board meetings, or trying to ask questions at committee meetings. But is that any way to run a community? Can you imagine if the whole country was run this way? What a joke it would be?

On RI, we don't get to elect the boss of the PSD - the RIOC President is a gubernatorial appointee. We can't vote them in nor can we vote them out or impeach them. Because they don't get elected they don't have to do what the electorate might want, otherwise they will not be returned to office. They do not have these "worries" or "responsibilities" to be responsive to the electorate. None of these standard mechanisms of accountability/responsiveness to the electorate, applies to us on RI.


This is why the island was developed the way it was - in a top-down manner. It was all well and good when we thought the GDP still applied - but then that fell away.


Likewise, with PSD - it was all well and good when we thought it was a truly community-oriented police force, but then that fell away -under Guerra, and it became arbitrary, unfair, and tyrannical.


Had it not been for the outcry of 2013, does anyone doubt that we would still have Guerra, still have his cadre of macho officers pushing over-enforcement onto us?

I've said it before in connection with the Torres/Martinez/Chironis scandal: The RIOC governance structure makes it an "ideal" system to pilfer, should an unscrupulous/criminal official or group of officials come along. What happened at PSD is another example of how the governance system fails us residents: There is no accountability because the governance system almost insures there will be no accountability. If things go really wrong, as they did with the Jones beating, then a new President or PSD Director can be appointed, who can even point the finger of blame at their departed predecessor. Or blame everything on the RIOC governance system..

They all get away with murder (practically) although occasionally the long arm of the law does catch up with them, as we've seen with the Martinez conviction.

Frank Farance said...

OldRossie: The stats point to black/latino officers having a racial/ethnic bias against blacks/latinos. NYPD is about half white non-Hispanic (53%), and half black/latino/asian/etc. (47%). Meanwhile, in the decade of 2003-2013 the stats were consistent, with close to 700,000 New Yorkers being stopped in 2011: 88% were "totally innocent", and 86% were black/latino.

In other words: an overwhelming majority of people stopped were black/latino, and an overwhelming majority of people were innocent.

Now, for argument's sake, if half your force (white non-Hispanic) is biased, but the other half is not, the the non-biased half would produce stats more in line with the population demographics: 45% white non-Hispanic, 53% black/latino.

In fact, according to NotMyKid who believes that whites commit fewer crimes than persons of color, the portion of whites should be EVEN HIGHER than 45% in stop-n-frisk numbers because 88% of the people stopped are "totally innocent", which would sample (according to NotMyKid) a disproportionally higher number of whites.

But whites, consistently over a decade, were approximately 11% of the stops.

Thus, black/latino officers participate in the racial/ethnic bias against blacks/latinos.

Your question "... a black officer may believe it more likely that a black person be committing a crime than anyone else. Why would that be?" is a good question.

My personal sense is: dehumanization is commonly associated with abuse, and dehumanization seems to be a necessary part of being in law enforcement (you don't become a good cop unless you are able to arrest people you might otherwise feel sympathetic to; ditto for soldiers in armies). And once there is dehumanization, then the culture of the law enforcement force prevails, which can lead to various kinds of abuse (racial/ethnic profiling-based stop-n-frisk in this case).

Which gets back to: some cultural issue within law enforcement that supports this kind of racial/ethnic bias **that produces such a high rate of FALSE POSITIVES** (i.e., 88% totally innocent). And this cultural (methodological?) defect has gone on for more than a decade in NYC.

Or said differently, according to NotMyKid: if in
2013 "suspects" are 6% white non-Hispanic and 92% black/latino, then that somehow rationalizes stop-n-frisk rates of 11% white non-Hispanic and 85% black/latino. See PDF page 21 (titled Page 15 of 16, chart Stop Question & Frisk Subjects and Violent Crime Suspects Race Ethnicity) of NYPD's 2013 report ("http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/2013_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf")



In my opinion, that rhetoric of NYPD (92% of suspects are black/latino, tied to 85% of stop-n-frisk are black/latino) is DANGEROUS RHETORIC because it draws a false correlation, which (rhetorically) is used to rationalize NYPD's present stop-n-frisk methods based upon racial/ethnic profiling.



Why is it DANGEROUS RHETORIC? With 88% of stop-n-frisks "totally innocent", it seems that racial profiling is the main criteria for getting stopped, but that (as demonstrated by the 88% FALSE POSITIVES rate) is a very poor criteria, and leads people to believe they are being stopped because of their race/ethnicity, and not because they were doing something wrong.

Or said in scientific language, if you had some instrument or diagnostic test that produced an error rate of 88% FALSE POSITIVES, you'd probably question its value as a "good indicator" for taking action.


Thus, one can easily conclude: NYPD needs to use different techniques/criteria for stop-n-frisk to reduce its FALSE POSITIVE rate. Constitutionally, the Fourth Amendment is all about reducing FALSE POSITIVES from law enforcement (really!).

OldRossie said...

I agree with your first two paragraphs, which included a statement that we shouldn't assume a young person is a criminal. I just want to point out that your comment then goes on to justify/rationalize a young person behaving like a criminal...