Authorization To Enter Into Roosevelt Island Main Street Master Leaseholder Agreement With Hudson Related Approved By RIOC - Will Take Another 4 to 6 Weeks To Execute Final Contract
Image of May 2011 RIOC Board of Directors Meeting
At yesterday's May Board meeting, the Roosevelt Island Operating Corp (RIOC) Board of Directors approved this:
Authorization to Enter into Master Sublease Agreement for Main Street Retail Space with Hudson/Related RealtyThe deal is not yet done. The final contract has still to be executed which RIOC CEO Steve Chironis
reported will take another 4-6 weeks. No other terms of the deal were publicly revealed during the Board meeting in addition to what has been previously reported - a 30-year lease on Main Street's approximately 100,000 square feet, Hudson-Related would guarantee RIOC the existing revenue it collects from the Main Street stores (about $900,000) and split any additional income and Hudson Related would invest capital in the physical appearance of Main Street.
Mr. Chironis added that Hudson/Related has committed to RIOC that they will reach out to the community for ideas about potential new retail uses and commercial tenants. Here is RIOC's Retail Consultant Report detailing many of the ideas from the Roosevelt Island community for Main Street stores.
The Study concludes (Page 38) that the following types of retail tenants would be most appropriate for Roosevelt Island's Main Street:
1. Green GrocerRIOC Director Jonathan Kalkin, pictured below in center, emphasized the benefits to Roosevelt Island of having an experienced private sector retail developer controlling Main Street retail instead of a government entity such as RIOC. No longer will a prospective tenant for a retail space on Roosevelt Island have to suffer through the cumbersome procedures of the Public Authorities Act, put up with any political machinations or smoke and mirrors said Mr. Kalkin. He added, if you run a good business, you can get the new space.
2. Ice Cream Shop
3. Specialty Cheese Shop
4. Seafood Store
5. Bakery
6. Pizzeria
7. Florist
8. Restaurant
9. Butcher
10. Home furnishings store.
RIOC Director David Kraut, pictured above at left, stated that the Hudson/Related real estate team are very smart at what they do and expressed concern that those negotiating on behalf of RIOC are up to the task of insuring that RIOC gets a good deal, noting that in his opinion, the development agreement with Hudson/Related for Southtown Buildings 3-4 were "much too cheap" from RIOC's perspective.
Mr. Kraut, Mr. Kalkin and the other RIOC Directors unanimously approved the Roosevelt Island Main Street Master Leaseholder resolution making Hudson/Related Developer David Kramer, who was sitting in the audience, a happy man.
Also present, and making his first appearance presiding over a RIOC Board meeting was NY State Homes and Community Renewal Commissioner/CEO and RIOC Chairperson Darryl Towns. Commissioner Towns is pictured below, on right, with RIOC President Leslie Torres and RIOC Board Director Michael Shinozaki.
A web cast of the April RIOC Board meeting should be made available within a few days.
91 comments :
So you mean to tell me, no one at RIOC was competent enough to make this happen on their own. A serious waste of funds. Perhaps an investigation to fund wasting, or an eye for an eye contract making.
The commenter above obviously can't read. This is a deal that gets rioc the same revenue they have no with Related's investment to get the stores ready and sharing the profit on top of that. It is brilliant, solves the problem and costs nothing. Bravo!
I really don't thing we need a home furnishing store. There is no room for a warehouse size floor display of ABC or Restoration Hardware!! What are you guys thinking? Can we have something like Chelsea Market as RI Market? Please.
I agree with IslandTigger. I also think the island could use a wine/liquor store again, and a "mom and pop" (non-chain) coffee shop.
That list must have been created when we still had a wine-liquor store, as inadequate as it was. That and a decent food store would make RI seem almost like a real neighborhood.
9:24
I know how to read, you apparantly cannot read between the lines. Someone is definantly making money somewhere along the line, I havent met anyone that works for absolutely free yet.
Well fellow Islanders here we are.Most would think considering there is a new chairman there would be more effort by Leslie Torres to have the common couteousy to have a more open dialogue with residents.Since Ms. Torres was appointed she has yet to get familiar with Island residents.Why is she there? Is it pure politics?Was it because Her father was a judge for the Bronx supreme court ? What in the doodle is our resident board doing at RIOC? How can they make productive changes for the Island if there is no oversight ? Why don't "THE BOARD " encourage Ms. Torres to be more open to our community? She may be a personable person but there is not relationship WE SHALL SEE !
Not for nothing, but it cant be easy being president of rioc and trying to accomidate all of the whiners. This island is getting more and more spoiled by the month.
Isn't the fact that even with residents on the board proof enough that it is not that easy to run this island? There are things that would end up like school board meetings where everybody shouts at everybody and everybody boos out everybody else and absolutely nothing will get done. I think the RIOC is open enough w/o running the risk that nothing gets done.
Imagine all these whiners on this blog having a say in something.
The commenter at 11:58 is really mad that someone said they can't read. They can't spell either. There is no reading between the lines here. RIOC gets the money they get now and shares the upside. Maybe if you finished 5th grade you would know that and be able to complete a sentence without spelling half the words wrong.
Hudson-Related should station someone at the subway station, and, I guess, the tram, too, on the Roosevelt Island exits and observe the shopping bags. Whole Foods, Dean & DeLuca, Citarella, Trader Joe's, are all well-represented. The existence of Fresh Direct and Soap.com, thankfully, mean that Gristede's is a stop only for dire emergencies. Review of Main Street's troubled retail past will show a history of failed and failing businesses. I hope that Hudson/Related doesn't draw the incorrect conclusion that the island is too small to support a variety of stores.
The problem was that the stores WERE NO GOOD. The best business on the island -- the Japanese restaurant -- is busy and thriving. If we had a good wine store, people would support it; it it's bad, people will go elsewhere -- it's frustrating and annoying, but not that difficult. Likewise, grocery store -- we need one that sells something besides Boar's Head. We had a fish store that seemed promising, but soon devolved into selling the worst produce they could find and a very poor selection of fish. Our existing grocery is the only one in the city that doesn't have a flower stand out front. I don't think we need a full-fledged florist, but a flower stand in front of the store would make it a bit more normal. A small hardware-housewares store would do well, too. Maybe the current store could improve with coaching from someone who actually knows the business, at least enough to raise the security gate when the store is open and to dress the windows. The candy store could use similar coaching. Why don't these stores carry normal items that people actually need and want to buy? HELP!
Now that Duane Reade is here with normal Chase ATMs, I'm happy to say that the need for a real bank is not as critical as it was in the past.
I would like to see some interesting, independently-owned specialty shops, but I'm realistic enough to be satisfied with just the everyday, normal, shopping that every other neighborhood in the city has. It's bizarre that you can't buy an ice-cream cone.
The stores don't have to be big in either size or stock. They just need to carry merchandise people actually want to buy, displayed in a way that doesn't make the potential customer want to run in the opposite direction.
I can't be the only one, who, even though my heart sinks when I see yet another Starbucks or Duane Reade open in other neighborhoods, was thrilled when they finally came here.
I think the Subway shop at Coler should get a real retail space on Main Street. I disagree a bit with SML and don't think we need a Citarella or even a TJs here on RI. What we need are places to hang out and socialize. Subway, Dunkin, another coffee place, Baskin Robins, liquor store, and one more Deli kind of place (just to compete with the existing dump to encourage them to get their space in order). Just the essentials.
Unfortunately, SML and Anonymous target the immigrant-owned independent businesses on Main St in favor of "mallification" - i.e. corporate control of retail space by Wall Street listed behemoths such as Starbucks or Duane Reade.
Attacking the independent small businesses on Main St that manage to hang on despite the lack of dollars in our community is, first of all, racist; secondly seeks to impose "acceptable" bland uniformity on a block that reflects RI's diversity.
Thanks, Gregor, for turning a simple desire to have good retail on Main Street into a racial issue. Well done, sir. Anything else you'd like to turn this into?
As a fairly new resident of Roosevelt Island, I can't comment on the past businesses. However, the card shop, deli and hardware store have the least helpful and most unfriendly employees I have ever encountered in NYC. It's not a racial issue; it's called customer service (or lack there of) These stores would never survive any place else!
Gregor, you should be careful how to say things. The way you turned this into a racial topic I could say the same that you are implying that the stores are in such a sad state because the owners are immigrants. I am very sure you did not mean that, right?
I've never had a problem whatsoever buying products at the non-white immigrant owned deli, card shop and hardware store. I mean every word I write: If Hudson Related so much as tries to touch these businesses, it's anyone's guess how the community will react.
There is a great deal of room for improvement. Maybe Hudson/Related can work with the current owners to bring the stores up to a standard not unreasonable to expect in New York City. They don't have to be fancy, or high-end, just...normal neighborhood places.
At the same time, while I agree that we are too small and isolated to support a Citarella, the fact that so many islanders shop at high-end stores off-island supports the idea that some higher-end stores might be able to make it here. For example, I cook a lot of fish (when I have a stove, that is) and I would be happy to buy fish down the street. The quality of the fish store that we had briefly was very poor; that is the reason it failed. I hope that Hudson/Related can see that there is a wide range of incomes and tastes here -- everyone but the very poor and the very rich and there is a customer base for higher quality shops.
The Japanese restaurant is always busy and not just with people fro Southtown. It's the best business on the island and it is getting support. It's not Nobu, and doesn't have to be, but it is a normal neighborhood Japanese restaurant. I would like to see other establishments of similar quality and character.
I don't mind Trellis; in fact, I like its grilled cheese and bacon sandwich a lot, but I want some other options. As someone pointed out, Riverwalk Bar and Grill serves practically the same food, but that's not all we eat.
SML: There are many different kinds of stores of many different "standards" in NYC. Walk through Corona one day, or Elmhurst Queens, or even Astoria. The card shop, deli, hardware store would all be considered "normal" there.
There's a different price structure in working-class neighborhoods - things are cheaper. The price structure of the card shop, deli, and hardware store makes it possible for the working-class residents to purchase goods at these businesses.
These businesses operate on slender margins, clearly. Yes - maybe Hudson Related could offer grants to improve the "looks" of the stores along with new leases.
Oh sure, some high-end stores could make it here I agree, but I do not think that after paying rent or mortgage, there is really that much extra money floating around on this island.
Fuji East does well because it is the only Japanese restaurant in town, and Japanese food is currently one of the most popular cuisines around. But, how often can working-class diners afford to eat at Fuji East, where you can expect to pay approximately $30 including tax and tip for a meal for two? For the same amount of money, two can probably eat at home for a week.
I disagree. My work takes me all over the city, into many different neighborhoods, including those you mentioned. The stores would not be normal any place in New York City. And, as I pointed out, there is a wide range of incomes and tastes here. I hope that Hudson/Related doesn't feel that it had to cater only to one level. There's room for variety. Not every grocery store has to carry exactly the same things, the way they do now, very little of which I want to buy. If you are satisfied, that's great, but there are others who are not and their needs and desires are equally valid.
SML: You have a right to your opinion as it is shaped by your experiences and inclinations. I however, was born in NY and have spent my entire life in NY - I have lived within the 5 boroughs, and most parts of all 5 boroughs - all my life, and rarely travel. I believe my experience in the City of NY - outweighs yours.
One of most prevalent kinds of businesses around is what is known as the bodega, whether or not the owner is Spanish or has a primarily Spanish clientele. A bodega is your basic, down-home, run-to-the-corner to get a quart of milk kind of place - nothing special, just basic needs and necessities. These stores, as I write above, exist throughout the City, even in the "wealthy" UES. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, not everyone in the UES is wealthy, and there are even projects in the UES. Look at the mix of residents on RI and (unless you are truly deluded) you will see why a simple, regular bodega will always be a vital necessity on RI.
In any NYC neighborhood, working-class people cannot exactly afford to go to a Zabars or a Citarella.
I think, you, SML, are living in a fantasy world of what life is like in NYC - for most of us. It does not consist of trips to fancy food stores. It is mostly a struggle to make ends meet; fancy food stores simply do not fit into that equation.
Hudson Related can bring in any new businesses it wants. But Hudson Related should remember one thing: Hands off the deli, hands off the card shop, and hands off the hardware store!
Gregor, you do not represent the average NYCer or even RIer at all either. Whatever your opinion is is just that, an opinion. Maybe I and SML live in a fantasy world according to you but on the other hand I, and maybe SML and others, also think that your world is not based in reality either.
I was not born in NYC, but I have lived here for 46 years, 34 of those on Roosevelt Island. My work takes me into all boroughs, and many neighborhoods. I know what I'm talking about. I know what a bodega is.
Roosevelt Island was conceived of and remains, a mixed-income development and the stores should reflect that. If you don't think the establishments you like so much could use some improvement, you really need to get around more.
Anonymous @ 10:17am: That may be, but what makes you think you represent "the average New Yorker" either?
Your opinion is your own as much as my opinion is. The difference between you and me is that folks like me -- working-class -- are numerous. Folks like you, who can afford to shop for $25/lb lox at Citarella, not as many. That is a fact, my friend.
The average New Yorker, in case you haven't noticed it, isn't rich.
Thus, the world of most people in NY is based on the reality of making a living and surviving, not wondering which Chinese restaurant will I order out from next!
SML: It's gratifying that you know what a bodega is, and that you have been to many neighborhoods in the great city of NY.
Hey - all businesses could use some improvement. Duane Reade has spawned many blogs about its high prices, it could stand for improvement. Did I mention the rather high prices charged for apartments - either to buy or rent - by Hudson Related at Southtown? Certainly Hudson Related could pull back in its pricing, that would be an improvement. No business is exempt from the possibility of improvement.
One of the most vibrant commercial areas of the City is Chinatown in the LES. You should take a look at the "style" of most of the businesses there - it's minimal, rough 'n' ready; frankly, the merchants there are too busy doing business to worry about "frills" or even tidiness. Yet, they do land-office business day & night, just like our "humble" Main St businesses.
You go to Chinatown, you know you can get a filling and inexpensive meal and also shop at a food market or even on the street for almost anything under the sun, all for cheap!! That's what I call business!
And again, Gregor, you are misled. I neither live in South Town nor do I frequent stores like Citarella. I am a straight middle class person who works hard for his money and spends most of his income on housing and feeding and clothing his children. And I still insist that the current retailers on Main Street need to step it up. That has nothing to do with race or any conspiracy theories (two topics you like to pull out of your hat).
Anonymous @3:55pm: I'm not saying you shouldn't shop at Citarella's or Grace's Marketplace and the like, or that race per se has anything to do with it - although racism is still very much part of the picture in the USA.
What cuts it most of all is socio-economic "standing" and the crushing of opportunities for those who may not exactly be "acceptable" to those who make the all-important hiring/renting/credit decisions in our society.
Why would a person want to "sully" their business by hiring and promoting to a leadership position someone who is shall we say "too diverse" - that same racist thinking carries over to that person not wanting to "sully" themselves by shopping at a non-white owned business on Main St. You can see it's happened here as South Town prefers South Town and the same for North Town (although that "reverse discrimination" is probably due more to inability to pay than pure anti-white sentiment).
Even if all the businesses were "cleaned up" on Main St, the same thing will happen -- for one reason and one reason alone: Racism.
It just so happens that because white usually prefers white socially. For those whites in a position to make hiring/renting/selling of homes and apts/credit decisions, they will prefer white applicants - no matter what the Federal EEOC and non-discrimination in housing laws say.
If the law could prove discrimination, the racial pattern of housing in NYC would have changed many years ago.
If you don't know this, then you are a bigger fool than is readily apparent from your postings.
I think you are the fool here, Gregor. Are you actually really insisting that even if the stores are cleaned up many people here will still not shop here because the owners are immigrants? Are you listening to yourself?
Not at all, you do not get my drift or are pretending not to, despite my clear explanation.
They will not shop here because of the socio-economic mix of the majority of customers of Main St businesses. This is the same reason why some Riverwalk residents, despite having an ability to rent anywhere at North Town, refuse to - they do not wish to live alongside people not of their socio-economic "ilk".
Hudson Related is of course happy to accommodate these racist snobs by providing housing expensive enough that it excludes all but the most successful of any race.
It's useless to remind readers that this is exactly the opposite of what RI was set up to be: An inclusive, mixed-income community.
OTOH, some of the socio-economic de facto segregation of RI is due to simple convenience or logistics: Why would anyone in Riverwalk want to buy a quart of milk down the road at the Main St deli if they could much more conveniently purchase it downstairs at the Duane Reade? Obviously, the same factor plays into purchasing decisions by North Town residents, who will of course tend to patronize their beloved Main St stores because of these businesses' most convenient location.
Because the RI population is so stratified due to income level -- South Town vs. North Town -- the same dynamic plays out socio-geographically, with South Town tending to stay and shop within South Town, and the same thing occurring at North Town.
But let's face it - some of the separation is due to sheer racism or snobism and not just the logic of economics or convenience: The young people of North Town are characterized as "gangs" or "idlers" "hanging out" along Main St. But think about it - where is there a central gathering space in North Town analogous to the Commons of South Town where the young people could hang out? The Church square? There is little or no seating at that square as compared to the South Town commons. The only place to hang out in North Town is along Main St - either along the East side of the St or in front of the deli.
How many folks at South Town wish to "rub shoulders" with "gangs" of youths while shopping? Some, but very few, might not "mind" it but most - either because of racism, snobism, or possibly fear - will avoid it.
As a thought experiment, I'm willing to entertain your prediction, however, that once Main St is revamped by Hudson Related, crowds of South Town yuppies will descend on Main St to shop at the newly-spiffed up stores - both the old and new stores. Only the future will reveal if your prediction or mine will come true.
Gregor,
You are such a joke, besides the fact that you inject racism into everything. I can't believe the anount of time you spend analyzing what type of stores will succeed here. Like in every single area in the world, if people shop there it will succeed, if not it will fail. Hopefully you wont be shopping anywhere on RI by the time the new stores come around as you will have moved far away!!!!!
Gregor said: ...some of the separation is due to sheer racism or snobism and not just the logic of economics or convenience...
Show me the data you base this factoid on. If you cannot produce this data you should really find another hobby.
Gregor, I give you one good reason why I rather buy my gallon of milk at DR or even at Gristedes: form the look of the Deli/Grocery on Main Street I do not trust them to be on top of replenishing expired stock or treating dairy correctly. Just the same reason why I would not buy fish from any of the stores in Chinatown. That has absolutely nothing to do with socio-economic standing or race/ethnicity. It's just common sense. I do not even know how much a gallon at that store is but since it looks just like a corner deli anywhere else in this city I'd guess it is overpriced. That's all there is to it. Make up your retail space and you'll attract more customers.
Most corporate franchise owners especially in New York (subway, dunkin etc,) are owned by immigrants. Many who worked at one first and saved up enough money to open their own.
Very good point, anon @ 9:33am. The Duane Reade in Southtown is run and mostly staffed by and with Indians. There goes Gregor's "theory". He's trolling for reactions anyway.
We'll see what happens if Hudson Related lays a hand on the deli, Trellis, the General Store, or We are One (black-owned!) boutique! I guarantee you - it won't be pretty!
Let's see: The post on 5/30 @ 9:01pm reveals their racism in targeting Chinatown fish merchants as dirty. Hey - guess what my friend: China is about to become the worlds #1 economy (if not already)! And they AIN'T white, no sirree.. So you better respect China and the Chinese and Chinatown because one day China will be calling the shots globally (if not already) due to plain old economic muscle, and sorry, there ain't nothing dirty about that!
Next: To 5/31 @9:33am & 10:08am - Duane Reade (DR) is listed on the stock exchange and is 100% corporate, just like Coca Cola. If you think there is any comparison whatsoever between a Mom-n-Pop business and a DR, you have to get your head examined. Hey - when was the last time the Main St deli was traded on Wall St... LOL
Gregor, you need help. Full stop.
Gregor,
After a hard day at work, you are truly comic relief. Are you now posting threats? I for one would love to see YOU get arrested. Do us all a favor and move off the Island along with all of your racist views. News Flash!!! It is 2011 not 1970 anymore!!!!
Notice how gregorsi skips over subway and duncan and other names that are immigrant owned franchises above. Do you know what a franchise is gregor? Riverwalk bar and grill is owner by an asian but that doesn't count for him because it is in a new building. You can't cherry pick the facts you respond to and change your stance when it is convenient for your argument.
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